Ilias Alami was interviewed by David Karas for the podcast series Poliko on the topic of ‘Marxist state theory for de-orientalizing state capitalism’. In the podcast Ilias argues that we should reject a Western liberal Orientalizing discourse, which locates state capitalism beyond the West. Ilias argues, on the contrary, that the concept can be useful for understanding a restructuring of the State in both advanced and emerging market economies. Ilias points to Marxist state theory as a rich tradition for contextualizing contemporary state capitalism as an answer to ongoing crises of capitalist accumulation.